Monday, February 23, 2009

Spin Free

The opponents of the Peabody projects aren't supporting Burbank, they (AND THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL BY VOTE - which is funny since i am listening to pat casey contradict herself right now) are supporting the rewriting of the RFP and going out to bid again.... And out to bid beyond the Herald News and one other paper.

EA Fish bait and switch - the truth


FURTHERMORE to Attys Fiola and Amaral - here is a refresher on preincorporation contracts: http://www.law.uvic.ca/mgillen/315/documents/Ch15-Pre-IncContracts.pdf

....for the next time you accuse Burbank of malfeasance.

74 comments:

Anonymous said...

Was that Amaral and Fiola? I thought it was Arthur Frank and Jay Clarkin speaking.

Anonymous said...

Was that Amaral and Fiola? I thought it was Arthur Frank and Jay Clarkin speaking.

Anonymous said...

Wow Hurricane had a great point,Camara and viveiros should have put more time and energy investigating Burbank.They were ready to commit fraud and create another police station fiasco..like it or not its got to be Peabody now

shamrock said...

Clearly you did not read the post that came before this message section...the supporters are not supporting Burbank they are supporting a new RFP!

Anonymous said...

But the people who led the protest downtown first wanted Burbank they were Cathy Ann and Steve Camara.Right?? thank god they didnt get there way..

Anonymous said...

12 million invested into that building which has been neglected for years and people are still bitching,,20 loft apts for artists,,and a Art Gallery..what more can people want??

shamrock said...

They are getting sued for saying they are going to do things one way and getting everyone on board then switching their plan.

Anonymous said...

How would u amend rfp to get viable options that work financially?

Anonymous said...

Both Da Hurricane and Fiola used the term "disingenuous," during today's WSAR show. Looks like they spent alot of time mulling over the Herald News' 2/22 editorial, entitled "Disingenuous Crusade." (Check it out)
HA...I doubt Hurricane had ever heard or used the term before, and thought it would make for a good opportunity to "spin" the term on someone else.

Anonymous said...

open it up to more possible bids for one. do your due diligence on the developers submitting bids, put in clauses instead of making a recommendation, taking a vote and
then trying to go back to correct it.

Anonymous said...

Anon 18:52

That isn't entirely true. It doesn't HAVE to be Peabody. We only got 1 real proposal, but that didn't get all 15 points. They could toss both of them out and have a rebid. That is what Steve and Cathy are proposing. If you read the council resolution, you will see just that.

Let's not settle for second, or third best.

Anonymous said...

Shamrock

you have your head so far up a conspiracy theorists ass that you think that they must not have had their own political agenda. camara and viveiros wanted to get rid of the proposal on the table and leave it to the other proposal. so in my research and education i am going to assume they wanted the other bid, which would be burbank. burbank however has "fake funds," if that is what you want to call it, right there regardless of who or what affiliation peabody has with mrs. fiola, would make me not chose burbank.

shamrock said...

You are dead wrong. Councilors Viveiros and Camara are supporting a new RFP not the Burbank proposal (and I am not sure how many times I can write that before you read it).

Anonymous said...

There is a big difference in so-called libel and slander from stating and posting facts such as
public information from the state of mass websites and the landerous statements made today on wsar.

Anonymous said...

It's always a good time for the people entrusted with the city properties to start their research and "diligence: after they have made a decision and probably already voted ! too little too late.

reality check said...

I believe on WSAR they said that 9 apartments would go to people making up to 30% of the city's median income which is around $37,000. That comes out to a little over $11,000 a year income. Not a lot of disposable income to support new downtown businesses.

Anonymous said...

so they would otherwise qualify for section 8 in one of the other 200 vacant apartments in fall river.

Anonymous said...

U r nit wit anon 20:22. How would u amend rfp to entice more bidders. I agree options now r awful. Stop bitching and help find a solution

Anonymous said...

That is exactly the point.

If there are 200 vacant apartments, why add MORE affordable housing?

Anonymous said...

I am suggesting a solutions open it up to more bidders, what is YOUR solution????

Tom Paine said...

Reality Check, I believe you are right about those figures.

All of a sudden these guys have big hearts and want the poor to have homes.

We have too much affordable housing was their cry and all of a sudden they want more. Here is why.

Companies such as Peabody make tons on affordable housing. Many times they will get money from the feds to do the rehab and then later huge subsidies to help with rent.

One last question to everyone.

Why was FROED on WSAR? I thought they were a private company. I thought the RDA, a public entity, was the one that decides on the property.

Ken Fiola, refering to what will be best for 64 Durfee Street, said twice "We think" We Think"

Where was John Almeida? Nick Christ? or Raymondo?

They are the ones who should have been on the show taking questions, they are public officials.

But I think FROED showed their true colors. Even though they are a private corp, it is clear they are calling the shots for the city.

By the way, Shamrock is right, Ken changed at least 2 or 3 TIFs, which was illegal to do. Would you trust him making a decision on this important contract?

Anonymous said...

FROED should have done something with 64 Durfee St. years ago since the state was willing to sell it for $1 in 2003.

http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/seslaw03/sl030035.htm

Now, FROED decides to place the property out to bid during the worst economy in 80 years!

Anonymous said...

There is a plan alright- but it is very obvious there are only a few that know what it is !

shamrock said...

FROED/RA knew peabody was interested before the city council even transferred the building to them. Knowing that they had one potentially viable bid (*bonus - from a campaign contributor) why would they work to solicit more interest in the building.

Anonymous said...

great point for the confidential ethics claim being filed.

Anonymous said...

SCAMROCK why are you protecting Camara and Cathy Ann ?
You are doing the same thing that you are accusing others are doing..you are as political as the people you accuse.If you would have investigated Burbank and realized earlier in this process that the proposal {that was at first supported}was fraudulent maybe we could have opened up the process for more bids..and one more thing the more you question the intentions and motives of solid ,honest,intelligent,good people like Alan Amaral and Nick Christ the more rational and reasonable people shut you off

Anonymous said...

This deflection attitude seems to be permiating from wsar- late into the game and on the defense:

This could also be said about you!


You are doing the same thing that you are accusing others are doing..

shamrock said...

Cathy Ann V. and Steve Camara are doing what is right and fighting for the future of our waterfront, and they do a fine job defending themselves, they don't need me.

Point to an instance where I questioned the intentions of Nick Christ or Alan Amaral in this transaction (although I will say that Amaral sounded like a jackass on the radio today).

I think both proposals are bad but I know that FROED/RDA favored peabody from the start so why bother to investigate Burbank when there wasn't a chance in hell of them getting it. Also - here is the link to the Burbank proposal, which I read, http://media.townonline.com/fallriver/pdfs/DurfeeTech/Burbank-Construction-Proposal.pdf where is the fraud?

No, this wouldn't have gone out for rebid if I had discovered a fraud with Burbank. Burbank didn't even get the name of the city right on the proposal and that didn't make it go for a rebid.

Anonymous said...

how did the rally go today? I'm sorry I missed it.

Oliver CIpollini said...

Guess what? There are no other Governor Councillors on this list of Fish contributions except for Carole Fiola?

And you know what ....Carole Fiola is not even in the Fishes' backyard or even district for that matter!

So why the big interest in justices / parole matters in the Southeastern Corridor of Massachusetts.

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http://www.efs.cpf.state.ma.us/SearchItemResults.aspx

This Post will not format properly in this comment dialogue format!!!

Records 1 through 50 of 152 total records ($60,625.00)
WHERE Zip = '02119' AND Contributor Name Includes 'fish'

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Notice....Fish's contributions are reported differently as almost hiding his business idenity. The Campaign treasurer is consistent with Hult and Marchione.


4/28/2008 CHECK Fish, Edward A.
536 Granite Street Braintree, MA 02184 Owner
Edward A. Fish Associates $200.00

4/28/2008 CHECK Hult, Catherine
Requested Hanover, MA 02339 VP Affordable Housing
Peobody Properties $200.00
4/28/2008 CHECK Marchione, Frank
31 Semple Village Road Attleboro, MA 02703 Business Owner
Honeydew Donuts $200.00
11/24/2008 CHECK Fish, Edward
536 Granite Street Braintree, MA 02184 Owner
Suffolk Construction $200.00
11/24/2008 CHECK Hult, Catherine
Requested Hanover, MA 02339 VP Affordable Housing
Peobody Properties $200.00
11/24/2008 CHECK Marchione, Frank
31 Semple Village Road Attleboro, MA 02703 Developer
Self Employed $200.00
5/1/2007 CHECK Fish, Edward
536 Granite Street Braintree, MA 02184 Owner
Peobody Properties $500.00
5/1/2007 CHECK Marchione, Frank
31 Semple Attleboro, MA 02703 Business Owner
Honeydew Donuts $200.00
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Owners sue Edward A. Fish companies
By Christine McConville
Saturday, February 21, 2009



It was billed as high-end luxury living near the entrance of the former Charlestown Navy Yard.

But eight years after the Nautica was completed, some of its residents are suing the companies that built and then managed the site.

In a 26-count lawsuit filed in late December, the trustees of the Nautica Leasehold Condominium Trust have accused several of real estate developer Edward A. Fishs companies of negligence, breach of contract and unfair business practices.


They are seeking at least $3 million in damages.

Fishs lawyers have disptued many of the trustees claims, and have said that because more than seven years have passed since the projects completion, statutes of limitation may bar some or all of the claims.

The $51 million, 117-unit project was developed by Fishs Braintree-based company. He hired Suffolk Construction Co. - a company he owned at the time, along with his son, John - to build the property in 2000.

After it was completed, another Fish company - Peabody Properties Inc. - was hired to manage the development.

According to the lawsuit, the people who bought condominiums at Nautica were promised that all materials and equipment used in the construction would be new, of first-class quality and free from substantial faults and defects.

In their 2008 complaint, the condominium trustees say the building, which borders Chelsea Street and Constitution Way, was defectively built and contains latent defects. According to the complaint, many of the buildings balconies, dormers and walls are defective. The structural framing, insulation and roofing systems also came with problems, the complaint states.

Peabody Properties concealed the extent of the defects, telling the buildings trustees that it was built in accordance with approved plans and specifications, the complaint states.

The trustees say that Peabody failed to advise the trustees to hire an independent consultant to assess the extent of the damages, and acted in an unfair and deceptive manner.

The complaint also accuses Edward A. Fishs other companies of making false representations and warranties as to the quality of the work performed and materials used and failing to inspect and correct defects in the construction.

After the complaint was filed in Suffolk Superior Court, attorneys for Edward A. Fish and Suffolk Construction disputed the charges.

Last month, the dispute moved to Suffolk Superior Courts Business Litigation Session, where it is currently pending.

People on both sides of the dispute either declined to comment or could not be reached for comment.

cmcconville@bostonherald.com

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Anonymous said...

Tell me.

Does this appear to be predetermined:

He said the old police station on nearby Bedford Street, dormant and unimproved since the city sold it for $160,000 in March 2007, is an example of what not to do with the century-old Bradford Durfee building.
Correia acknowledged recently telling councilors he was encouraged that Peabody Properties Inc., which manages the Borden East and Borden West senior subsidized housing complexes, expressed a serious intention to bid on the project.
They’re prominent developers, Correia said.

http://www.heraldnews.com/archive/x1588587906/Former-tech-school-eyed-for-arts-overlay-district

shamrock said...

Oliver - good point because the spin was that "well ea fish donates to everyone" clearly not the case here.

Anon 23:35 -

Funny since herren and friends were shaming people for believing and listening to the senior housing rumors.

I suppose, sadly, that we will get our revenge when 64 Durfee is housing the elderly and/or welfare moms and their broods.

Anonymous said...

Oliver , therin lies fiolas ethics problem. Why would a Boston Developer with interest in fall river contribute to only the fall river county wide candidate?!?

Anonymous said...

Scamrock Dont worry Hurricane is going to make the deal bullet proof tomorrow the devil is in the deal and the details and hes going to make sure that the plan for that building cant and will never change.The stipulations will be detailed in the contract.

Anonymous said...

Hurricane, How are you going to do that at 3:30PM when the Redevelopment Authority meets?

Anonymous said...

Hurricane is writing the contract? AWESOME

Anonymous said...

Great after his "save the lighthouse campaign" and fitness challenge - I'm sure the biggest loser is next.

Anonymous said...

C'mon, hurricane can't even write his own name. well, maybe in ALL CAPS!

Anonymous said...

JUST listen to the radio tomorrow Hurricane told me he was taking care of business..his show is where the action is so i believe him.LISTEN TO THE HURRICANE 3 OCLOCK TOMORROW1480 wsar

Anonymous said...

Is this going to be like the time when he was supposed to talk at a City Council meeting about MMA but then ran away scared with his tail tucked between his legs because of the oh so scary MMA parents, lol? Give me a break, the guy is a whimp. He's not a problem solver he is more likely to create more problems for himself.

Anonymous said...

Jeff Carpenter is right on this issue but unfortunately Steve Camara and Caty Ann are going along for the ride for any political gain that they can get out of it. Where were they when at least some in the mayor's race, school committe and council race were talking about the city and city entities and their crappy bid process in 2007? I specifically remember Poulin in the Mayor's race, Miozza in the Council race and Picard in the School Committe race and there may have been others. If Steve Camara and Cathy Ann cared they would've raised the issue back then but what were they doing, oh yeah that's right, running to get back onto the Council after umpteen years of hiding out in Westport. We don't need political hacks replacing political hacks, Cathy and Steve would only be slightly less painful than Bob Correia. It's time for new blood all around.

Anonymous said...

Jeff Carpenter is joke as is Cathy Anne and Steve Camara they are the people on one side of this beef I will take Nick Christ,Alan Amaral,and THE Hurricane agaisnt those 3 anyday.

shamrock said...

If this is for some kind of dodge ball tournament, if I were you I would pick Ken Fiola too in light of how hard he hurled the ball at that guy at the Durfee High basketball game.

Anonymous said...

REAL MEN dont play DODGEBALL they win State Championships playing BASKETBALL for DURFEE!!!SORRY SCAMROCK

Anonymous said...

More "affordable housing" in Fall River with water views! In any other "re-vitalized" community water views would be higher rents....and those people would spend money, and be surrounded by other people who could spent monney. But no, Fall River will recruit more of the downtrodden from other cities to occupy this downtown revitalization!
The new restaurants will close because these are not the folks who will spennd mondy in these restaurants. Put a 7/11 across the street and now we're talking! Maybe another dollar store! Build weather protected shacks so they don't have to be cold during the drug deals.
Look at places not that far away, Bristol, Warren, same water....but see, I leave Fall River for the afternoon or evening to go to these places and spend money. I guess I'll still have to!
Geniuses in this town....

Anonymous said...

I didn't win a state championship playing basketball for Durfee so I must not be a real man.

However, I do earn more than $252/week. I have never been arrested AND I can write and speak in complete sentences.

Anonymous said...

"REAL MEN dont play DODGEBALL they win State Championships playing BASKETBALL for DURFEE!!!SORRY SCAMROCK"

If I am not mistaken, that is Durfee 'BOYS' Basketball?

Lefty said...

Listening to Mike Herren's show last night the best point was made by the next to last caller.

Basically he said that he wasn't happy with either plan. Burbank didn't have enough details and Peabody has a horrible track record for following through on their promises. (see the link in Shamrock's post for a great example!).

Both these proposals should be tossed out, but if the RDA is going to except Peabody's than we need to fight the next fight which is to make sure we put in provisions that protect our interests and that of our Arts Overlay District.

Anonymous said...

Like the TIF agreements Fiola changes after the fact. Someone
objective other than FROED/RDA should be looking at these final agreeements in a legal capapacity.

W.J. Bloggah said...

Hey Hurricaine, how's that hangover treating you this morning? You were BOMBED last night, huh? Except instead of puking in the toilet you spewed verbal diarrhea all over this and other blogs and the Herald News site too (right Luke Urban?). You effin loser!

Anonymous said...

Actually Hurricane was hunkered down with a smart ,sassy,sexy young lady..but you ..w j blogga wouldnt know anything about that..as for the hurricane he is loving life his shows ratings are off the hook,radiofreekrod has become obsolete ,and hurricane is dominating every blog in the city..the only way any of these blogs get any traffic is if its about hurricane ,wsar or the karams

Anonymous said...

That is simply not true. A. The Mike almost never discusses the blogs, so he is not sending traffic to them. B. The blogs almost never discuss him, so traffic is not coming to discuss him.

So where are you getting your premise from?

Anonymous said...

I might have been honkered and down but it was with a smart sassy sexy young transvestite.

Anonymous said...

Will the bloggers ever be able to see the truth through the trees ..are they serious saying hurricane doesnt bring traffic to the blogs all they have to do is look at the blog histories with that said it just re inforces my point about them not being able to tell the obvious simple truths about hurricane

Anonymous said...

Herren covers local current events. Of course his name will come up on the blogs if he did an interview pertinent to the story. However when you scroll back on this story the shameless self promo began with foolish claims and silly personal comments made by Herren and his immature followers. How desperate is this guy?

Anonymous said...

Why don't you show us the truth? Show us the facts.

shamrock said...

Anon 15:03 - Here is my "blog history"

6 18.75% fall river tastic
4 12.50% andrea simister fall river ma
3 9.38% colleen whipp
2 6.25% linda pereira da bristol county
2 6.25% fallrivertastic.com
2 6.25% robert correia campaign contributions list
1 3.13% fall river herald news
1 3.13% fall river redevelopment authority
1 3.13% butts lake tiverton
1 3.13% recommendation to raise city attorney's salary
1 3.13% low income houseing + business plan
1 3.13% ken fiola executive vice president salary
1 3.13% Richard Mateus, CEO, PrimaCare
1 3.13% meditech fall river
1 3.13% fall river blogs
1 3.13% fallriver rda
1 3.13% "richard mateus" massachusetts
1 3.13% shamrocks blog fall river ma
1 3.13% pride city wide fall river
32 100.00%

Lefty said...

I think it's funny when people say that Mike Herren is what drives traffic to the blogs.

Mike has been the host of the afternoon drive for less than a year and I was already getting over a thousand visitors a month.

Looking over the list of keywords that brought visitors to A View From Battleship Cove, Mike Herren barely cracks the top 25 showing up at number 24 - with 4 visits.

a view from battleship cove 348
view from battleship cove 91
viewfrombattleshipcove 56
Blogger 50
aviewfrombattleshipcove 33
keri rodrigues blog 32
aviewfrombattleshipcove.blogspot.com 29
aviewfrombattleshipcove.com 19
fall river-tastic 19
fall river blog 18
fall river blogs 17
a view from battleship 12
battleship cove 12
keri rodrigues 11
rick oliveira wsar 11
hartley's pork pies 10
the view from battleship cove 8
www.fallriverblog.com 8
blogs fall river, ma city council 7
battleship cove blog 6
battleship cove org recipes 6
fall river blogspot 5
fall river chow mein 4
mike herren 4
aviwewfrombattleshipcove 3

If you go over the entire list of keywords (over 300) Herren might equal 20 visits out of 3000.

Lefty said...

I should clarify that the above list is for the last 30 days.

Anonymous said...

Beat again by pork pies !

Anonymous said...

Scamrock your most popular blog posts was about the snow plows on karams lot and this latest hurricane rants ..its obvious show me where you have had more posts that those two stories combined ..the blogs are small potatoes the Hurricanes Highway Home is a full course meal

Anonymous said...

while we are on the subject of the hurricane. in listening today, the last hour of the show was one of the best hours of talk radio by mr herren in a while i think. if he stays true to his word, he will be doing the arts a great deed in getting what they want in this peabody proposal.

Anonymous said...

wasn't it already a done deal earlier today??

Anonymous said...

anon 18:21

Are you inferring that mike herren has any role in the decision making of Peabody's final proposal?

Anonymous said...

no anon 18:21

i am referring to the comments he made today about making sure that peabody keeps true to their word and doesnt allow section 8 qualifiers to run the halls of old durfee tech.

isnt that the issue we were talking about? Instead of judging the man behind the words, why dont you people start listening to the content. its clear you cant put your hatred ahead of your wit.

Anonymous said...

"i am referring to the comments he made today about making sure that peabody keeps true to their word and doesnt allow section 8 qualifiers to run the halls of old durfee tech."

Let's be realistic here, you have to judge the person that is saying the words and their past behaviors words and actions to make a determination if you believe that person is capable of doing anythng about this- what exactly is he going to be able to do once this goes through? take them to court- no that would be the city that would have to do that. What exactly do you think he can do about this???

The administration, froed and rda are the ones that are in a position to protect the city.
something about it

Anonymous said...

What power does the Hurricane have?He has serious power its called the bully pulpit.He is an engaging ,popular young man with a huge stage and impact in our area.He can and he will play a substantial role in making sure Peabody will play by the rules of the original agreement.

Anonymous said...

He better start bullying fiola

Anonymous said...

Herren's next name- Budding Cianci

W.J. Bloggah said...

Anon 23:45, bars close early tonight? I will agree that as far as the Bully pulpit goes, The 'Caine makes one helluva Bully. After all, he's learned from the best. What impact does this guy have? Granted, he does have listeners, but c'mon, you think people gather around the watercooler in the morning and say, "Man you shoulda heard the Hurricane snoring yesterday, it was great!" What, because all the local public figures come on his show, he's got stroke with everybody? Face it, you could put a houseplant in his chair from 3:00 to 6:00 and the Mayor and whoever else will still come give interviews because they'll take whatever airtime they can get! Now he's on this self righteous "Hero of the People" kick. Fighting injustices, One Suckapunch At A Time!

Hmmm, Hurricaine Vs Ken Fiola in the Battle of the Suckapunches, Fall Rivah style! Put THAT on the radio, I'll buy that!

Anonymous said...

Anon 23:45 must have some heavy duty beer goggles on when he looks in the mirror. Young man? The guy is like 40. Sad case.

Anonymous said...

What power does the Hurricane have?He has serious power its called the bully pulpit.He is an engaging ,popular young man with a huge stage and impact in our area.He can and he will play a substantial role in making sure Peabody will play by the rules of the original agreement.

24 February, 2009 23:45

oh my, the confidence a line or two can evoke from a middle aged doofus

Anonymous said...

Actually Hurricane was hunkered down with a smart ,sassy,sexy young lady..but you ..w j blogga wouldnt know anything about that..as for the hurricane he is loving life his shows ratings are off the hook,radiofreekrod has become obsolete ,and hurricane is dominating every blog in the city..the only way any of these blogs get any traffic is if its about hurricane ,wsar or the karams

24 February, 2009 14:29

Eeeeewww,
sorry but this guy gives me the creeps. Does hunkered dowm mean that he is holding some poor girl in the basement or threw her in the trunk. he blogs about himself but he sound like a greasy pimp guy, like velvet jones. guess the jokes on him.

W.J. Bloggah said...

I'm still curious how much the current hourly rate is for a "smart ,sassy,sexy young lady", and which Somerset Motels she is available to meet at.

Also is it BYOC (Bring Your Own Coke)?